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August 11th, 2009 at 6:52 am

What’s in HB 3200 and how it will hurt you

Glen Meakem is filling in as guest host this week on the Quinn and Rose radio show and he  took a call from a well informed female caller who began reciting page after page of information on HB 3200, the Democrat Health Care Bill. I was so impressed with her informed call, I decided to do a Google search this morning for more information. I found this link after inserting the following search criteria: “critical analysis health care bill page by page” There are many research papers in the search results but this was one of the best I found.

HR3200, Healthcare Reform Bill Analysis, pdf file from Liberty counsel.

Read House_Bill 3200: Obamacare.pdf

Liberty Counsel, a nationwide public interest religious civil liberties law firm, has read all 1018-pages of HR3200, Healthcare Reform Bill, and has provided a complete analysis of the bill.

Here are a few examples of what is contained in the bill:

  • Sec. 313, Pg. 149, Lines 16-23 – ANY employer with payroll $400,000 and above who does not provide public option pays 8% tax on all payroll.
  • Sec. 313, Pg. 150, Lines 9-13 – Businesses with payroll between $251,000 and $400,000 who do not provide public option pay 2-6% tax on all payroll.
  • Sec. 163, Pg. 59, Lines 21-24 - Government will have direct access to your bank accounts for electronic funds transfer.
  • Sec. 401.59B, Pg. 167, Lines 18-23 – ANY individual who does not have acceptable care, according to government, will be taxed 2.5% of income.
  • Sec. 59B, Pg. 170, Line 1 – Any NONRESIDENT alien is exempt from individual taxes. (Americans will pay for their health care.)
  • Sec. 152, Pg. 50-51 - HC will be provided to ALL NON-US citizens.
  • Sec. 1177, Pg. 354 - Government will RESTRICT enrollment of special needs people! “Extension of Authority of Special Needs Plans to Restrict Enrollment.”

Liberty Counsel is a nonprofit litigation, education and policy organization dedicated to advancing religious freedom, the sanctity of human life and the traditional family. Established in 1989, Liberty Counsel is a nationwide organization with offices in Florida, Virginia, and Washington, D.C., and hundreds of affiliate attorneys across the Nation.

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  • Michael Levine
    5:32 am on August 16th, 2009 2

    Thanks for the syopsis. After examining the sections you pointed out in the article, I’m convinced more than ever that bill HB 3200 (Health care bill) is too long, too vague and too open to interpretation. And Washington can’t understand why so many people don’t trust them?

  • James Johnson
    2:45 pm on August 17th, 2009 3

    Below is a quote from HB3200:
    3 SEC. 246. NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED
    4 ALIENS.
    5 Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments
    6 for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are
    7 not lawfully present in the United States.

    Help me reconcile this with the statement above: “HC will be provided to ALL NON-US citizens.”

  • Patriot76
    3:10 pm on August 17th, 2009 4

    Healthcare will be provided to everyone including illegals because Section 152 pgs 50-51 prevents any kind of discrimination. So if an illegal comes in and they have no verifiable identification and cannot speak or understand English they will be given healthcare regardless. Even when it is obvious they are not from this country. It will be up to the hospital or doctor’s office to prove that the person is an illegal.

    Plus the section you are talking about is giving a discount on a health insurance premium and does not actually deal with care itself. It is the care of illegals that is a contributing factor to the rise in health care cost.

    There are a lot of contradictions in this bill. But thanks for point that one out to us we are going to look into it further and speak with our Congressman about it.

  • LdeG
    3:20 pm on August 17th, 2009 5

    I believe the interpretations above are misleading.

    “Sec. 313, Pg. 149, Lines 16-23 – ANY employer with payroll $400,000 and above who does not provide public option pays 8% tax on all payroll.”
    The requirement is for an employer which does not provide qualified coverage - private insurance qualified on the exchange (to be listed on the exchange, it must meet minimum requirements for out-of-pocket limits, etc.)

    Same for the next section.

    “Sec. 163, Pg. 59, Lines 21-24 - Government will have direct access to your bank accounts for electronic funds transfer.”
    This is in the section setting standards for automated healthcare systems, and require any system used *enable* electronic funds transfers - not required, and needed to efficiently transfer funds from insurers to doctors and hospitals. Most payments between businesses today use EFT.

    “Sec. 401.59B, Pg. 167, Lines 18-23 – ANY individual who does not have acceptable care, according to government, will be taxed 2.5% of income.”
    2.5% or the average annual premium, which ever is less. Medicare, Medicaid, and US Armed Force members are exempt. This is to enforce the requirement that everyone is insured - the tax goes to cover everyone who doesn’t sign up for something. Other parts of the bill provide for subsidized premiums for the unemployed, etc.

    “Sec. 59B, Pg. 170, Line 1 – Any NONRESIDENT alien is exempt from individual taxes. (Americans will pay for their health care.)”
    Non-resident aliens will not be taxed if they do not have an American healthcare plan; there is no requirement here that their health care will be paid by tax or any other American dollars. Non-resident aliens are almost all teachers, college or graduate students, or foreign government employees (for example at embassies or the UN)

    “Sec. 152, Pg. 50-51 - HC will be provided to ALL NON-US citizens.”
    This says nothing about citizenship; p. 143 prohibits subsidies to illegal aliens.
    SEC. 246. NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED
    4 ALIENS.
    5 Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments
    6 for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are
    7 not lawfully present in the United States
    “Sec. 1177, Pg. 354 - Government will RESTRICT enrollment of special needs people! “Extension of Authority of Special Needs Plans to Restrict Enrollment.”

    The section of the law amended is below. It allows Medicare Advantage plans that are designed especially for special needs individuals under Medicare/Medicaid to restrict their enrollment to people with special needs until the end of this year. The change in HB 3200 allows them to continue restricting enrollment to just special needs people.

    (f) Restriction on enrollment for specialized MA plans for special needs individuals
    In the case of a specialized MA plan for special needs individuals (as defined in subsection (b)(6) of this section), notwithstanding any other provision of this part and in accordance with regulations of the Secretary and for periods before January 1, 2010, the plan may restrict the enrollment of individuals under the plan to individuals who are within one or more classes of special needs individuals.

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  • James Canady
    8:42 pm on September 13th, 2009 7

    One person cites “Sec. 152, pg. 50-51 - HC will be provided to all non-U.S. citizens.”
    Another correctly responds that the cited section has nothing to do with citizenship.
    The other then cites “Sec. 246 - No Federal Payment for Undocumented Aliens” to suggest that illegal aliens will not be covered. Why doesn’t the language state illegal alien? Why “undocumented” aliens? Undocumented aliens suggests a distinction from documented aliens. Moreover, the “federal payment” citation refers to “affordability credits”, not explicitly healthcare expenses. No surprise that we do not trust the federal government or each other. We cannot even agree on what the bill actually states.

  • lee fritts
    1:31 pm on March 11th, 2010 8

    Trust the government?? Talk to the Indians